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Post by lynette on Jul 22, 2009 16:54:30 GMT 8
being able to pirate this DVD free on the internet severely decreases the number of paying DVD buyers. The fact that we can watch this film on the internet in English also radically drops the chances of seeing it in the theaters in the US anyway. The distributors can't easily sell a film to theaters that is already easily downloaded (for FREE) on the internet. That's why when BATHORY was first stolen, it was a big deal. Once you can see a film online, not much point trying to get it into theaters. What audience you might've hoped for has already seen it. Remember, artists get NOTHING from pirated work. That's why it's called pirating. The companies lose, and that trickles down to the writers, the crew, the actors... As it is artists often get little for legit online airing of their material -- that's why SAG (the international union that protects the rights of Screen Actors), nearly striked for months this year, and why WGA (Writers Guild of America) DID in fact strike for months a year or so ago. It's hard enough to get reimbursed for work legitimately. Stolen work is just a loss. I'm sure it will eventually creep quietly onto the DVD market with little or no notice or herald. Like Nero did. One day it will just show up at Blockbuster. Piracy is a bad thing. Every profession has its plus and minus, nothing is without risk and losses. I think, director Mr. Jakubisko and his team made many mistakes from the outset of this project. Since the beginning of filming were the problems and scandals. If it should be just advertising, I do not know. Mr. Jakubisko providing poor security, and I think that is surrounded himself with bad people. Bathory movie was very successful in CZ and SK. Despite the fact that since January this year, is free to download and free to watch on the website. This is reflected in all the cinemas, even a year after its premiere. People are curious though, that they saw the version on the Internet. I do not know, what it is in America. But I think, Europe has a slightly different audience. They are European history, yet. Personality of Elizabeth Bathory here very fascinated and afraid, everyone is curious.   |
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Post by Gg on Jul 23, 2009 0:09:41 GMT 8
Well Bathory's theatrical Gross as of this month was just under 3.5milUS$... the film, with the largest budget in Central and Eastern Europe's history, at 10.8mil€ (~15mUS$), there is a lot of compensation yet to make, and as it is now off to DVD release alone, any pirating severely harms that bottomline. Which would all be fine if this was just a mega-level Hollywood Studio production. As it wasn't, as the filmmakers themselves invested their own money, it is more like personal larceny, than the kind of abstract, I'm stealing a film from a major studio who has billions and trillions of resources. It's a huge risk we should support, by buying the product when it becomes available, or foregoing ownership.
With that budget, I can't imagine there weren't security measures taken. Nobody who stands to profit from the films success would want to compromise what was hoped to be an international success.
I don't think that people will pay to see this film if they can watch it for free. I think their curiousity will take them to the internet and free download sites and away from rental venues and long-term purchasing of the DVD. I think it will cut into it's final gross.
And with the new BATHORY (THE COUNTESS) with Ethan Hawke on it's way onto European screens after premiering at Berlin this year,... well. The curiousity on the subject matter will soon have more than one direction to turn to.
It's a risk letting your cat out of your house, but if someone stole it, it would still be wrong.
All I'm saying is if/when this stuff is buyable, buy it. Contribute your support to the people that inspire you, and their efforts.
I think everybody on this forum knows that the unbuyable things are liberally shared via MathesonMafia.
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Post by lynette on Jul 23, 2009 4:51:46 GMT 8
Well, the DVD should be on the market in November 08', then in January 09', then March 09', then June 09', is now almost August and still is not to buy. I ask, where is the mistake on the filmmakers and distributors or on the part of ordinary film viewers.
I say, this project was and is poorly organized from the beginning. Many people are angry because they wanted the DVD. I fear that the financial losses can "Jakubisko team" itself. On this project they have worked since the early 90s years. Why did / does such an experienced director of another howler, I don 't.
Not give all people in the same bag. One group of people looks at better on the online version or download merrily. Another group go once a movie and this will end. Another group of people go the same movie several times to the movies and this group is still large. Then there are people who wait humbly and with great patience on the DVD edition and are willing to give the overage amount of money for the film. This group of people is also great, but once the patient just disappears .. Unfortunately, Mr. Jakubisko too long tried patience of people. I apologize for bad English.
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Post by Gg on Jul 23, 2009 7:02:21 GMT 8
filmmakers don't generally sell their own DVDs. If they do, well, they've hit rock bottom and they are just trying to scrape what they can out of it. They make the film, and if they weren't already backed by a distributor or studio, they do the film festival curcuit looking for distributors. The usual hope is to get the film a distribution deal that is "wide" domestic and foreign, including as many theaters as possible. That is always the goal. If they have given it a fair shot (often up to a year and a half to cover all the film festivals, unless picked up immediately from Cannes or Sundance) then they consider small deals that include straight to DVD in the US but some theatrical release in Europe, Asia, etc... I'm pretty sure that the reason that Bathory has taken so long is because they were holding out for theatrical release in more markets, but, finally, sold the rights for DVD distribution. You can't really hold the filmmakers responsible UNLESS they passed on release deals, hoping for something bigger, but in the long term just delaying the inevitable. Then, still, you can really only blame them for having maybe too much faith in their product. In this case particularly, it does seem that they were hoping for the venue they had hoped for the epic quailty of the film. Right now the current promise is September of this year for USA DVD release... we shall see... in the UK you can rent it here - www.lovefilm.com/film/Bathory/120558but Bathory's journey, as long as it has seemed to us, is rivaled by other films. FOR instance, THE FOUNTAIN was originally suppose to be released in 2002, with Brad Pitt and Cate Blanchett and a budget of 70milUS$... finally in 2005 production was resumed with HUGH JACKMAN and RACHEL WEISZ and though 2006 brought neither a box office or critical success necessarily, it DID get wide release in theaters. and then there's PERFUME -- which beat out PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN in it's release year in Europe, and openned in only 3 theaters in the US... as patient as an attentive audience may be (who knows how long all this takes) it is the filmmakers who have let blood over these things who have the stomachs of steel. Imagine how they feel waiting, hoping for success. |
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Post by lynette on Jul 23, 2009 19:32:57 GMT 8
Yes, I know. Here in CZ and SK is the amount of links to buy the DVD from the summer of 08', but the problem is that no man can buy it .. Dates to be moving away and still around. This bored. Today it is completely natural thing that almost everyone has the internet and everyone illegally download films and music. It's so no one is so honest. For many people buying a DVD or CD sunk money unnecessarily. Surprises me, that the movie Bathory is buying in Western countries, but in Central and Eastern Europe on not to buy .. This is a shame.  |
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Post by Virgil Reality on Jul 23, 2009 21:33:30 GMT 8
I actually disagree with the belief that once a movie is available to download illegally, no-one will buy the DVD.
Firstly, there are still a lot of people who do not download movies. Maybe they don't have a powerful enough computer or a fast enough connection - and yes, those people certainly exist. Maybe they don't have the computer skills to even know how to do it, or they lack the inclination.
And then there are the people who are suspicious because it is illegal or fear the viruses they may catch - and yes, many of those sites are notorious,
Then there are the people who believe it is just wrong.
And of course, to want to download it and search out the links, you have to know the movie exists and to know enough to be curious. I certainly would not know anything about Bathory were it not for Hans.
Yes I know there are epople who frequent the download sites and download anything and everything. But perhaps those peope then go on to buy their own copy of something they've liked, especially if the DVD contains special features. So distributors who give value for money with their releases should have less to fear. Think of it as advertising with an extended trailer!
So who buys DVDS? The number of shops which sell DVDs , be it a supermarket ,specialist or online store is still significant. Once any movie's screeners are sent out for review, there's a chance it's made its way onto the illegal download sites. Yet people still buy their own copy. Others rent first and then buy. People buy DVDs of movies they've already seen in cinemas, at friends' houses and even after it's been on TV. People buy movies they've not even seen sometimes on the spur of the moment, based on the cover, or the subject matter, or who's in it.
But to buy it, it has to be available. Maybe you're impatient for your copy of Bathory. But the people who've never heard of it are certainly not going to be buying it until it appears in store and they see the cover - maybe in the bargain bin.
Bathory's obviously not going to get a cinematic release except at fringe festivals and there are many reasons for this. So lets hope that it does get a DVD release. I seriously doubt that 'everyone' will already have seen it illegally, But I doubt it will get much publicity either. I hope it gets an eye-catching cover!
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Post by lynette on Jul 23, 2009 23:04:50 GMT 8
I guess so. |
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Post by lynette on Jul 23, 2009 23:10:55 GMT 8
Otherwise, "Bathory" DVD, I do not know what it is you, but for CZ and SK will be no bonuses on this DVD...  At least so they all wrote.  |
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Post by tsv on Aug 6, 2009 2:58:27 GMT 8
Today it is completely natural thing that almost everyone has the internet and everyone illegally download films and music. It's so no one is so honest. For many people buying a DVD or CD sunk money unnecessarily. A couple of years ago my parents (who live in Bulgaria) got an internet connection which came with a bonus - free downloads (absolutely illegal of course). The internet provider had a huge amount of movies some of which were just out in the movie theaters around the world. Now, that kind of piracy is really mean . It's just horribly ugly! I'm guessing the thinking of the people who use the "bonus" is that they already pay for the internet connection so why should they pay a second time for the same stuff . |
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Post by Gg on Jan 10, 2010 3:41:52 GMT 8
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Post by lynette on Jan 10, 2010 4:23:11 GMT 8
Great find! |
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Post by Gg on Feb 17, 2010 23:42:44 GMT 8
There is a sight with some formally difficult films to find, INCLUDING MOJO, and Canone Inverso -- in a streaming format, which seems far less like pirating than the downloads. If I understand correctly you need a Divx player to view and registeration to stream: www.movstreaming.com/actor,hans-matheson-2351.html |
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Post by lynette on Feb 18, 2010 1:34:50 GMT 8
There is a sight with some formally difficult films to find, INCLUDING MOJO, and Canone Inverso -- in a streaming format, which seems far less like pirating than the downloads. If I understand correctly you need a Divx player to view and registeration to stream: www.movstreaming.com/actor,hans-matheson-2351.html Thanks for the link, Gg. I saw all these movies from the site, I would like to watch online - "Bodywork" - but I did not find any link ... |
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Post by Gg on Apr 26, 2011 3:26:10 GMT 8
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Post by lynette on Apr 26, 2011 20:44:35 GMT 8
I saw everything. Behind the scenes featurette also, I gave last year or the year before on the forum link here. If my memory still works. ;D Good link, Gg. |
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