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Post by Gg on Jun 20, 2009 11:36:24 GMT 8
that little wicked streak is what I love about you...  |
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scarredsoul
Hans Afficionado
I became insane with long intervals of horrible sanity ~ E.G.P.
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Post by scarredsoul on Jun 20, 2009 15:37:50 GMT 8
Virgil: You're evil!
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Post by lynette on Jun 20, 2009 20:53:59 GMT 8
Oh the DIna pics have been fixed up ( hopefully) for a good 36 hours. I've done what I could on the MIsts Gallery now Unfortunately, I just had to delete some of the thumbnails as the larger versions have unaccountably gone AWOL. Will do a more comprehensive overhaul when time permits. BTW I deliberately didn't fix just a few of the Dina pics. I KNEW you'd find them To Virgil - Dina Pics: I think it's okay. |
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Post by lynette on Jun 28, 2009 0:51:19 GMT 8
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Post by cat on Jun 28, 2009 3:24:08 GMT 8
"I'm playing Tomas, the stable boy, who falls madly in love with Dina. I think all the men in the story fall madly in love with Dina, but for Tomas it's obsessive. It's like an innocent, obsessive dark love. Which is always the most interesting to play. But that's the part...Tomas." |
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Post by lynette on Jun 28, 2009 5:20:21 GMT 8
"I'm playing Tomas, the stable boy, who falls madly in love with Dina. I think all the men in the story fall madly in love with Dina, but for Tomas it's obsessive. It's like an innocent, obsessive dark love. Which is always the most interesting to play. But that's the part...Tomas." Thanks, Cat!  |
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scarredsoul
Hans Afficionado
I became insane with long intervals of horrible sanity ~ E.G.P.
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Post by scarredsoul on Jun 28, 2009 16:11:17 GMT 8
That's kind of an odd thing for him to say...I would have figured it the other way around...Dina loves him, it's obvious that she loves him...but she loves him just enough to keep him out of her crazed existance...where she does everything to the men that have left her, she manages to keep Tomas in a sort of holding pattern, where she loves him, he loves her but never the twain shall meet and stay together....
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Post by Virgil Reality on Jun 28, 2009 16:41:44 GMT 8
That's an aspect of the story that was poorly developed in the movie and much more interesting in the book.
Tomas and Dina were close as children and he was always there for her. It's Tomas' family who raised her when her father more or less rejected her after her mother's tragic death. Things are very basic in their cotter's home and later, she's a bit embarassed and conflicted by her feelings for him.
Remember, he's the stable boy, she's the bosses daughter. All the time, while she's treating him badly, he continues to hold out hope that she will one day come to her senses and realise that it is he who is the only one who truly loves her and understands her. He more or less stalks her, he's always hanging around. I'd call that obsessive. And kind of crazy of him not to realise his place in the social heirachy.
In the novel, Benjamin's paternity is not revealed, though she, he and the reader know. The fact that Benjamin himslef doesn't know is fundamental to the whole story of the sequel, Dina's Son. I recommend both books if you can get hold of them.
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Post by lynette on Jun 28, 2009 16:44:41 GMT 8
I thought always, that Dina has Tomas just about sex.
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Post by cat on Jun 29, 2009 3:05:37 GMT 8
That's an aspect of the story that was poorly developed in the movie and much more interesting in the book. Tomas and Dina were close as children and he was always there for her. It's Tomas' family who raised her when her father more or less rejected her after her mother's tragic death. Things are very basic in their cotter's home and later, she's a bit embarassed and conflicted by her feelings for him. Remember, he's the stable boy, she's the bosses daughter. All the time, while she's treating him badly, he continues to hold out hope that she will one day come to her senses and realise that it is he who is the only one who truly loves her and understands her. He more or less stalks her, he's always hanging around. I'd call that obsessive. And kind of crazy of him not to realise his place in the social heirachy. In the novel, Benjamin's paternity is not revealed, though she, he and the reader know. The fact that Benjamin himslef doesn't know is fundamental to the whole story of the sequel, Dina's Son. I recommend both books if you can get hold of them. And yet I can see why Tomas still holds on to the hope that Dina will one day return the affections that he has for her. With the tragic death of her mother, and the rejection of her father because of it, it almost gives the impression that Dina's social status is lowered when she goes to live with Tomas' family (even if thats not the case). In a way I feel kind of sorry for Tomas. I think he is the sort of character that would be always be around to pick up the pieces when things go wrong for Dina. And I also think that if Dina didn't use him for sex, then Tomas wouldn't be filled with any false hope, or expectations, that he will one day be with Dina. That's one blame that lies entirely with Dina! |
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scarredsoul
Hans Afficionado
I became insane with long intervals of horrible sanity ~ E.G.P.
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Post by scarredsoul on Jun 29, 2009 12:58:03 GMT 8
Wow......
I suddenly really want to read those books....
In the film though I'm a bit with Cat on this one, I feel bad for Tomas, I wanted to strangle Dina a few times for him, just because of the way he's treated by her. I still love the scene in it where she backhands him, he's bleeding and says something to the effect of 'it's your mess, you clean it up!' Hans had a really powerful tone, it was almost out of character for Tomas it seemed....through most of it he almost seemed a little....mousey.
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Post by Virgil Reality on Jun 29, 2009 17:44:01 GMT 8
Yes, one of the few scenes where Hans was actually given something to do. And it's a crucial scene because that is where he finally realises all is lost. But the laugh's on Dina because Tomas and Stina are very happy together and have a happy family life, children etc while Dina remains crazy and unfulfilled.
I recommend the books - I actually found my copy in a second hand book shop - it "called" to me from the Bodice Ripper section
They're by Herbjorg Wassmo. Pretty light reading. There's a third book I believe but I don't think it's been translated into English. It's called "Karna's Legacy". Karna being Benjamin's son.
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Post by lynette on Jun 29, 2009 18:01:54 GMT 8
Wow...... I suddenly really want to read those books.... In the film though I'm a bit with Cat on this one, I feel bad for Tomas, I wanted to strangle Dina a few times for him, just because of the way he's treated by her. I still love the scene in it where she backhands him, he's bleeding and says something to the effect of 'it's your mess, you clean it up!' Hans had a really powerful tone, it was almost out of character for Tomas it seemed....through most of it he almost seemed a little....mousey. What should an attack on Tomas in stable? I do not understand much.  |
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Post by lynette on Jun 29, 2009 18:05:14 GMT 8
Yes, one of the few scenes where Hans was actually given something to do. And it's a crucial scene because that is where he finally realises all is lost. But the laugh's on Dina because Tomas and Stina are very happy together and have a happy family life, children etc while Dina remains crazy and unfulfilled. I recommend the books - I actually found my copy in a second hand book shop - it "called" to me from the Bodice Ripper section They're by Herbjorg Wassmo. Pretty light reading. There's a third book I believe but I don't think it's been translated into English. It's called "Karna's Legacy". Karna being Benjamin's son. I never saw this novel in Czech trade.  |
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Post by Gg on Jun 30, 2009 2:34:20 GMT 8
There is a scene in Fins when Tomas confronts Dina and it is a turning point for his character who was meek to Dina's will to that point. Dina is one of those films that are too psychologically complex to be able to surmise the plots, intensions, and thrulines by looking at screencaps. Even after you watched the film, there is some mulling over to be done. Reading the book has the advantage of getting into Dina's brain... A huge advantage whenage speaks so little!
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