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Post by caz on Apr 28, 2010 21:19:27 GMT 8
seriously -- my roommate gets her instrument (a viola) an airline seat for itself. She went to China last year and I volunteered to take the viola's alloted "overhead compartment" space so I could go with her. That's so funny gg.  |
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Post by lynette on Apr 22, 2011 18:53:49 GMT 8
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Post by lacrimosa on Apr 24, 2011 0:20:27 GMT 8
I watched it this morning, so touching, so powerful...
He's really a truly talented actor.
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Post by caz on Apr 24, 2011 0:27:30 GMT 8
I watched it this morning, so touching, so powerful... He's really a truly talented actor. It is a brilliant film. |
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Post by lynette on Apr 24, 2011 2:15:27 GMT 8
I watched it this morning, so touching, so powerful... He's really a truly talented actor. Yes, this role has helped him to the role in Doctor Zhivago, anyway.  |
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Post by Gg on Nov 16, 2012 22:27:43 GMT 8
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Post by mj on Dec 16, 2012 2:12:01 GMT 8
I have a question about the movie. I think I'm missing something a big time. I can't figure out why Jeno was taken away by Nazi at the concert. He was not considered as a Jew by bith, right? His school didn't think he was a Jew when David was kicked out. His mom was a comvert, and Wolf was not a jew. His real father is but nobody knows. So why was Jeno taken away? Had his real father something to do with it, since David was blaming on him..? But why does he do such a thing to Jeno, he is his son.. Please help.
Btw, has anyone felt the gay vibe between Jeno and David, I mean David. I thought he was gay and interested in Jeno romantically.
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Post by Gg on Dec 16, 2012 8:37:55 GMT 8
The vibe you are picking up was far more pronounced in the book and yes, it was there in subtext. It was made a bit more obvious in the book and certainly created a dramatic subplot with two young, unaware they were siblings, finding themselves attracted to each other. Perhaps two boys feeling a compulsion towards each other in a confusion of a misplaced, unrealized sibling bond. It didn't defeat the major plot point of Jeno's obsession with Sophie, but it certainly made the sibling realization more complex.
The concert that Jeno (who told Collegium he was a Jew, albeit a known bastard, when he realized the Jewish musicians were being kicked out) and Sophie (who was Jewish) are taken away from was a concert celebrating Jewish composers, produced by the Jewish Maestro Hischbaum. Musicians were persecuted throughout Europe, starting in the 1930's, and systematically "removed" from conservatories and concert halls, music of Jewish composers banned, and many were arrested for simply playing Jewish music. It took very little provocation. Lucky artists of all kinds, who were considered subversive by the Nazi's, were part of an exodus out of Europe to find amnesty abroad. Many came to America and the impact on the US was revelatory.
Jeno's real father didn't turn him in, and neither did his brother David. But his biological father was Jewish and conversion in general, and in Jeno's mother's case, didn't matter much to the Nazi's because it was an ethnic cleansing, rather than purely religious. David's mother, in an earlier scene, voices her worry to Maestro Hischbaum that perhaps the concert itself should be cancelled in fear it would invite violence from occupying the Nazi's. Ironic, considering Adolf Hitler was in fact part Jewish, but megalomaniacs are not known for their judicial thinking.
Does that piece together at all?
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Post by mj on Dec 18, 2012 14:20:17 GMT 8
Thanks, Gg, for answering my questions.
Ah ha, so the gay vibe really existed! It does really make sense. That explains David's overreaction when he found out they were brothers.
Regarding Jeno's arrest, your explanation makes sense. I knew Nazi considered half Jew as Jew, but I was not sure in his mother's case and also confused by his school's decision. So he was considered as Jew because his mom was originally Jew.
Thanks, again. My mind is more clear now.
I was not crazy about Jeno's nerdy hairstyle after he cut off his wavy long hair. I don't think it fits Hans. Neither Zhivago's. Both kinda look similar, longer in front, but shorter in the back, looks like a little kid from the back. However, even with a bad haircut, he still look gorgeous!
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Post by S on Dec 22, 2012 23:30:10 GMT 8
Ah ha, so the gay vibe really existed! It does really make sense. That explains David's overreaction when he found out they were brothers. MJ the gay vibe?    There are soul mates in friendship too. Not everything goes according to sexual attraction. They two (Jeno and David) are "best friends". A pure and eternal friendship. They are united by love of music, but also their rebellion (are rebels), their way of enjoying life, his confidence, everything. I see nothing sexual between them. Only an honest and real friendship reciprocated. |
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Post by Gg on Dec 23, 2012 6:45:14 GMT 8
Well in Paulo Maurensig's novel in 1996, 4 years before the film he wrote was released, the relationship between the two boys (David is "Kuno" in the book) is intense from the beginning. When they first meet Jeno " thought I was looking at myself, as if the room were covered in mirrors reflecting my image back to me... I saw in him my double, a replica of my emotional self". "what initially attracted us were reciprocated feelings of admiration... We walked together in the courtyard while other's looked on. And naturally we didn't hide anything from each other"... The relationship becomes far more obsessive for Kuno particularly, and darker, as realizations happen for both boys, and Kuno plays out his dark obsession. They do in fact, in a literal sense, merge into a single human. The "attraction" is a metaphor really, and serves that sense in it's confused, disconcerting bond and jealousies between the characters. When Kuno's multiple personality/schizophrenia is revealed at the very end of the novel you realize that you could make no assumptions about the double flashbacks that reveal the life of the violin the plot is driven by. The film dwells far more on the relationship between Jeno and Sophie, and plays far better on a romantic level for it. In the novel there is no daughter, the violin is bought male relative. Lee Williams did a beautiful job of playing David/Kuno's obsession subtly, and Gabrielle Byrne plays the latter life Jeno/David with benevolent calm that doesn't give away the slightly altered twist at the end of the film. I agree it is not overtly sexual, but obsessive and confused and dark. Have you ever met someone and been almost scared at how quickly you were attracted, how attached you immediately became, how completely you identified as if you were the same? Not to give too much away, but that was Jeno and Kuno, and until you understand the twist at the very end why, well, a confused vibe makes sense.
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Post by S on Dec 28, 2012 22:27:53 GMT 8
Thanks for the quote Gigi, I haven't read the novel. I was unaware of its existence. But I still believe there are soulmates, independently of love or not love to someone romantically. I have them and I feel lucky. And I have no sexual desires for them... hahaha |
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Post by mj on Jan 1, 2013 23:59:23 GMT 8
Thanks, gg. It was beautiful.
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